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Laecesudhan
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Aloha comrades,
Because I am a raid-analysis-tool-fan, I have started logging our runs at World of Logs (like WWS, just with more info). Reports will be posted here!
Raid for 11/01/2009: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/k6mjlq90dt52qg3o/
Report has lotsa cool stuff, have some fun and take a look. It's a little more complex than WWS but if you spend some time poking around it's quite informative. Also is able to measure things that Recount and other tools can't (like shield absorbs, etc.).
Enjoy!
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Report for 11/08/2009: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/bdafejqzyvzmep03/
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Report for 1/24/2010: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ydyli0h0ioluvlx1/
Apparently WoL isn't able to track the Gunship event as a "boss fight". Other than that, enjoy. 
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Did I ever mention I love you?
Well, I love you.
<3
Thanks :)
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I went through the different reports, but as a tank, I'm not sure what I should be comparing to the other tanks to guage my performance. Does anyone have some hints as to what report stats I should concentrate on?
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Stats, probably not so much. Consider things like: Can you hold aggro or are the DPS constantly riding your threat? Do you position bosses correctly? Do you respond well to changes such as Death and Decay on Lady Deathwhisper? How much damage do you take and talk to your healers about how hard you are to heal? Are you taunting on Saurofang at the right time and are you taking hits with Rune of Blood or what ever it is?
Those be my thoughts.
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I mean, what can I get out of looking at the log reports? The only catagory that seemed relevant to tanking was the one that shows damage compared to required healing. Where there any other reports in the logs that could help me?
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As a tank I've never found reports very useful, as dps or healing they're great.
The only numbers you're really going to find regarding the tank would be the stats for the bosses. Click them and look at shield block and avoidance for melee and other abilities. Basically you need to think of yourself as the target and see how easy of a time the mob has at hitting you. Now AoE abilities that hit the whole group obviously don't count etc.
Edited by Kaylvand on January-27-2010 at 11:25AM
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I've honestly always wondered about the usefulness of log reports for tanks. Performance-wise, tanks are like healers in that we're sort of judged by "not screwing up". Healers use logs primarily as self-evaluative tools, e.g. how much do I use this spell, is it worth the talent points; how much overhealing/effectiveness am I getting out of it; how useful is that new trinket proc I have, etc.
But for tanks I don't think you can really "overtank" something-- more threat is always better, more mitigation is always better, and so on. Which leaves you back at the qualitative assessment: did I hold aggro? Did I have stable survival?
I guess you could maybe look at how to eke out a little more DPS? Or perhaps damage taken, what sorts of things might be more avoidable/mitigated with different stat tweakings...
Another consideration is that (especially in 25-man) a tank's role is going to potentially vary quite a bit based on the fight-- being a Sabrelash soaker on Marrowgar vs. tanking a bunch of small adds on Lady Deathwhisper. Again, both tanks and healers need to be aware of a given fight's mechanics and their particular job on that fight to really evaluate their performance.
I do think that tanks and healers can probably marginally learn some things about self-performance from logs, but it's not nearly as obvious, linear gauge as it is for DPS. Personally, I like logs just to see if the numbers match up with my intuitive evaluation of how an encounter went and if anything is terribly off. But the lack of "healer-per-second" or "tank-per-second" measurement makes it minimally useful.
That's all I can think of.
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There was a TPS parser available for WWS. I don't know if someone's modified it for WME or WoL yet, but may be worth searching for.
Think of your tanking ability as a maximum threshold for raid DPS. If you can do a sustained 1000 TPS, all your melee is constrained to 1100 TPS and your ranged to 1300 TPS (the 110% melee, 130% ranged thresholds) — I arbitrarily picked 1000 TPS to make the calculation easy. Non-tanks have TPS values for their DPS and healing so the challenge for non-tanks is to do as much DPS or healing as they possibly can without exceeding tank TPS. The lower the TPS threshold (what I sometimes call threashold  ), the more the raid has to be careful about what they can and can't do.
Each one of your moves as a tank has a specific TPS value associated with it. The smart tank uses the TPS moves necessary to stay above the raid's TPS (i.e. not faceroll tanking). From a meter perspective, this means looking at how many GCDs are you using on TPS moves that don't matter much (are you taunting when you're already the aggro target?).
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